{"id":2793,"date":"2024-04-14T08:49:01","date_gmt":"2024-04-14T07:49:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/?p=2793"},"modified":"2024-04-14T08:52:05","modified_gmt":"2024-04-14T07:52:05","slug":"artem-ivantsov-bi-iberiak-elkartu-nahirik","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/2024\/04\/14\/artem-ivantsov-bi-iberiak-elkartu-nahirik\/","title":{"rendered":"Artem Ivantsov: bi Iberiak elkartu nahirik"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_2794\" style=\"width: 606px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2794\" class=\" wp-image-2794\" src=\"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"596\" height=\"335\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v1.jpg 640w, https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v1-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 596px) 100vw, 596px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-2794\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Between two iberias\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Artem Ivantsov (chetosco)<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-2795\" src=\"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"597\" height=\"336\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v2.jpg 640w, https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v2-300x169.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 597px) 100vw, 597px\" \/><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Zer esan nahi dute bi Iberiaren arteko proiektuaren aurkikuntzek? <\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Funtsezko gauza asko, gaurtik aurrera ez ikusiarena eginda uzten ahal ez direnak. Horien artean:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Tartes <\/strong>ez da gehiago milaka urtetako misterioa;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Flamenkoa<\/strong>ren historia milurteko batez baino gehiagoz luzatzen da (begira BASTETANIri buruzko artikulua);<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Andaluzian euskaldunen presentzia<\/strong> (hau da, antzinako Espainia osoan) zalantzarik gabea da;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Euskaldunak<\/strong> dira beren nortasun osoarekin milaka urtetako presiopean <strong>bizirautea lortu zuten<\/strong> tribu iberiko bakarrak, hizkuntza bera ere bai;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Euskara, kartveldar familiako bosgarren hizkuntza da<\/strong>;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Iberieraz hitz egiten zuten gainerakoek euskaldunen antzeko hizkuntzetan, eta kartveliar familiakoak ere baziren;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Inbasio berberiarra<\/strong> (Arabiar Konkista izenez ezagutua) hemendik aurrera penintsulako autoktonoak (iberiarrak) askatzeko asmotzat hartu behar da, besteen (erromatarrak eta bisigodoak) okupaziotik, <strong>iberiarrak izanik berberiarren familia bereko<\/strong> (familia kartveliarra). Horrek Konkista Errekonkista bihurtzen du, eta Errekonkista Erre-Errekonkistan, Espainiaren historia hankaz gora jarriz;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211;<strong>HEBREO<\/strong> hitza eta <strong>IBERO<\/strong> hitza gauza bera baldin badira (badirudi horrela dela), eta <strong>iberiarrak <\/strong>eta <strong>antzinako hebrearrak<\/strong> kartveliar familia berekoak baldin badira (hala dirudi), orduan hebrearrak kanporatzea jende autoktonoa penintsulatik kanporatzea izan daiteke;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>AMERIKA<\/strong> izenak (ez du zerikusirik Vespuccirekin) ezin izan zuen eman Europak, &#8216;tierra de los de aca&#8217; bezala itzultzen baita;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Amerikar indioen hizkuntzetan kartvelismoen kantitate izugarri eta esplikaezina<\/strong>, Galesera eta familia kartveldarraren arteko erlazio argiaren arabera, Kolon baino 300 urte lehenago Madog galestar printzeak Amerika aurkitu zuen seriotasun zientifiko osoz;<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; <strong>Familia indoeuroparra ez da familia bat bezala existitzen<\/strong>, kartveliar familiatik dator eta bere lekua hartzen du munduko hizkuntzalaritzan. Proiektuak Espainiako historiarako eta hizkuntzalaritzarako duen garrantzia ulertzeko nahikoa, Amerikarako eta mundurako duena. Hemendik aurrera, Espainiaren eta Portugalen zein gainerakoen <strong>esentzia kartveldarrari<\/strong> muzin egitea, eta gainerako antzinako mundukoenari, krimen akademiko baten pareko da. Egia berrezarri dezagun elkarrekin.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Artem Ivantsov<\/strong> (c)<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2796\" style=\"width: 290px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2796\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2796\" src=\"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v3.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"280\" height=\"195\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-2796\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Kartveliar hizkuntzen mapa<\/p><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/eu.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Kartveliar_hizkuntzak\">esteka wikipedia<\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>I International Conference: \u00abTwo Iberias \u2013 Two Gates of Europe\u00bb. Tblisi, ekainak 12-14,\u00a0 2024<\/strong><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2797\" style=\"width: 594px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2797\" class=\" wp-image-2797\" src=\"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"584\" height=\"389\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v4.jpg 600w, https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v4-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 584px) 100vw, 584px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-2797\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Seem foto<\/p><\/div>\n<div id=\"attachment_2798\" style=\"width: 600px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2798\" class=\" wp-image-2798\" src=\"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v5.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"590\" height=\"432\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v5.jpg 656w, https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/lazzaretto\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2024\/04\/v5-300x220.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 590px) 100vw, 590px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-2798\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Artem Ivanchov hizkuntzalari ukrainarra \u201cBetween two Iberias\u201d (Bi Iberiaren artean) emankizuna aurkezten. \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (bideo-argazkia)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 Zer esan nahi dute bi Iberiaren arteko proiektuaren aurkikuntzek? \u00a0 Funtsezko gauza asko, gaurtik aurrera ez ikusiarena eginda uzten ahal ez direnak. 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