{"id":355,"date":"2009-11-24T18:36:30","date_gmt":"2009-11-24T16:36:30","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/argia.eus\/erredakzio-mahaia\/mikel-asurmendi\/?p=355"},"modified":"2009-11-24T18:36:30","modified_gmt":"2009-11-24T16:36:30","slug":"bortxa-eta-independentzia","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/mikel-asurmendi\/2009\/11\/24\/bortxa-eta-independentzia\/","title":{"rendered":"Bortxa eta independentzia"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_357\" style=\"width: 109px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a rel=\"attachment wp-att-357\" href=\"http:\/\/argia.eus\/erredakzio-mahaia\/mikel-asurmendi\/2009\/11\/24\/bortxa-eta-independentzia\/botafumeiro1\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-357\" class=\"size-full wp-image-357\" src=\"https:\/\/blogak.argia.eus\/mikel-asurmendi\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/44\/2009\/11\/botafumeiro1.jpg\" alt=\"Eliza eta estatuen usaina\" width=\"99\" height=\"122\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-357\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Elizaren eta estatuen usaina<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Prentsa errepasatu eta interesgarriena apartatu dut asteon ere. Ezker abertzalearen inguruko bi pentsalarien hitzek &#8220;harritu naute&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><!--more-->Joxe Azurmendi filosofoa &#8220;herritar gisa ametitua izateko estatuek indarkeriaren gaitzespena exijitzeko maniari&#8221; buruzko hitzaldia eman zuen TopASKEtetan. Laburrean &#8220;herritar gisa ametitua izateko&#8221; indarkeria gaitzetsi beharraz mintzatu da:\u00a0 &#8220;Onargarria da pertsona batek bortizkeria zilegitzat jotzea, gero erabiltzen ez badu&#8221;. Horrela pentsatzen edota agintzen bide du Estatuak.<\/p>\n<p>Nik berriz, honela diot: &#8220;Onargarria da pertsona batek bortizkeria kondenatzea, gero berak erabiltzen ez badu&#8221;. Edo sostengatzen ez badu, zehazkiago ulertzeko.<br \/>\nJoxe Azurmendirena ulertu dut. Eta bat nator Joxe Azurmendirekin. Baina gaia ez dugu inoiz azaltzen eta lantzen osotara. Hara, 50 urteko erantzunezko biolentzia politikoaren \u2013biolentzia iraultzailea nahi baduzue\u2013 ondoren &#8220;Eliza eta Estatua gora, morala eta kontzientzia behera&#8221; hizpide segitzen dugu. Aspergarria gero!<\/p>\n<p>Baina, noiz ostia gogoetatu edota eztabaidatu behar dugu biolentzia politikoaren estrategiaz? Hitz batez: biolentzia politiko armatuaren egokitasunez edo desegokitasunez, arraioa!<\/p>\n<p>Edo berandu ote da jada gure kontzientziak zuritzeko?<\/p>\n<p>Bestalde, ezker abertzaleko Floren Aoizek &#8220;Independentzia. Ametsa edo beharra&#8221; goiburuko hitzaldia eman du Lazkaon.<\/p>\n<p>Euskal Herrian independentziaren aldeko jarrera egotearen arduradunak Espainiako eta Frantziako Estatuak dira Aoizen irudiko. Bere eletan &#8220;haiek egin gaituzte independentista&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>Ondo. Ulertu dut. Baina ez nator bat. Agian ez naiz ezker abertzalekoa edo ezker abertzale horretakoa.\u00a0 Ni independentista naiz izatez eta nahimenez. Espainolak eta frantsesak nire lagun hoberenak izanda ere, independentista izango naiz betiere. Eta andaluziarra edo okzitandarra banintz ere independentista nintzateke. Independentista naiz, eta pertsona osoa izango banaiz independentea izan behar dut ezinbestean.<\/p>\n<p>Estatuek &#8220;independentistak sortzeko fabrika egin dute&#8221; dio Aiozek. &#8220;Autonomista asko independentista bilakatu direla&#8221; dio tafallarrak.<\/p>\n<p>Hara Aoiz jauna edo laguna\u2013ez dakit zein adjektibo erabili\u2013: ezkerreko abertzaletasunak 50 urte bete ondoren, zapaltzen gaituzten bi estatu hauek independentista sortzeko fabrika egin ondoren, noizko independentzia eguna? Biharko? Etziko akaso? Etzi damurako, agian.<\/p>\n<p>Agian bai eta ni ez naiz enteratu ere.<\/p>\n<p>Ezkerreko abertzaletasun horrek jeltzale autonomistak 50 urte kritikatzen pasa ditu,\u00a0 eta orain,\u00a0 zapaltzen gaituzten estatuei eskerrak eman beharko dizkiegu euskal autonomistak independentistak bihurtu izanagatik. Amen!<\/p>\n<p>Eliza usaina dario honi guztiari. Hara, Juan Ignacio Munilla Gipuzkoara itzuli da eta oharkabean pasako da.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Prentsa errepasatu eta interesgarriena apartatu dut asteon ere. 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